Two Crises, Two Bubbles: Jeffrey Sachs on a Hegemony That Won't Admit It's Over
Introduction
Jeffrey Sachs joins The Duran to read the whole Western moment through one frame: the powers that ran the world for two centuries no longer run it, and everything else — the Ukraine narrative, the Iran pressure, the stock market — is downstream of a political class that cannot say so. What follows reconstructs the episode's argument with attribution and hedging left in place. The two texts Sachs cites on air (the Foreign Affairs lead essay and Scott Bessent's Financial Times op-ed) were checked for this article; a bond-market headline he half-recalls is left unverified, and his assertions about US meddling in Brazil's election rest on his word alone.
The Double Crisis
Sachs's first answer sets the thesis: two foreign-policy crises are underway "for the same essential reason" — a crisis of the United States and a crisis of the West. The core alliance (America, Britain, the EU, Japan — Canada's membership a running joke under Trump) ran the world for at least two centuries and no longer does, which makes this "a crisis of power" for them, not a crisis for the world. Since 1991 the US called itself the sole superpower; today its machinery is, in his phrase, programmed "to act to protect a hegemony that no longer exists." Europe's self-harm over Russian energy he reads not as obedience to Washington but as a shared mindset: "even 80 years after Europe lost its empires, they still have an imperial mentality" — Britain donning the imperial mantle and heading straight to Kiev the moment a mayor becomes prime minister. The counter-thesis is just as blunt: multipolarity is benign or beneficial, "China's rise is good for my living standards," and Russia's return is good for the world — treating either as disaster is the zero-sum Anglo-Saxon mindset, not Adam Smith's positive-sum one.
Two Bubbles, One Public
The geopolitical bubble — the West talking itself into "the US order still exists, we just have to get past Trump" — "actually has stoked a financial bubble." In Sachs's account, the establishment's net worth and the market's historic-high valuations now depend on keeping both bubbles alive: Bessent's open hand manipulating whatever markets he can, Trump's rhetoric at "absolute insanity," and the intertwined story that "the AI world is the world of seven magnificent US companies" whose multi-trillion valuations all make sense. Stoking bubbles, he notes, is not a safe business — it builds toward an even bigger crash. The odd consolation: "the broad public gets it that something is completely bizarre and weird" — no doctor's appointment, unaffordable gasoline — so the hegemonic narratives are placeholders with no resonance. This is not a jingoistic public marching to war; it is a public dragged along, in amazement and dismay, by a political class endlessly committing the sunk-cost fallacy.
Five Futures and the Logic of 1914
The centerpiece is Sachs's on-air reading of Foreign Affairs — "what the establishment tells itself," a Rorschach test — specifically the September/October lead essay by the very senior establishment figure Kurt Campbell on how alliances survive (verified for this article; it is co-authored with Rush Doshi, though Sachs credits Campbell alone). The essay's five futures: global multipolarity as "a world with no rules, no fixed alignments, every state out for itself" — the Hobbesian scenario; spheres of influence with US retreat to the Western Hemisphere; a great-power concert dismissed in two sentences, since great powers "cannot even cooperate" on climate (the US being the one country that walked out); partial Chinese preeminence, whose horror is supposedly sliding down the value chain into "transnational tax evasion"; and allied scale against China. Sachs's verdict: "that's precisely the logic of World War I" — unite against the enemy; cooperation is naive. Beside the essay stands Bessent's FT op-ed (verified; published the week before the episode) declaring economic D-Day: "It's us versus them. We're going to crush you." Yet even the FT's famously jingoistic comment section answered with derision — "Scotty boy, why don't you go back to your hedge funds?" — mockery from inside the hegemonic class itself. The day's bond-market headline Sachs half-recalls ("bond prices quaking, interest rates rising") he cannot attribute between the FT and the WSJ, so it stands unverified.
China Is Not Kaiser Wilhelm
Mercouris supplies the historical rhyme: cut through the enormous literature on 1914 and there is "one very simple underlying cause" — Britain's relative decline and its refusal of displacement, pursued with sanctions-dabbling little different from Washington's today. "In 1914 we were the richest, most powerful country in the world;" by 1945, a dependency of the United States. Where megalomania goes, he adds, paranoia follows. Sachs returns to July 1914 — Keynes's tea-in-bed, passport-free golden age — a war with no deep reason, only two blocs colliding; today's anti-China reasons, he argues, are weaker still. "China is not Kaiser Wilhelm." Its message since 1949 is "you will not do that to us again," not "we will replace the hegemon" — and the ledger backs him, in his telling: "China has not been in a single war for the last 46 years" (the last being the one-month Vietnam affair of 1979) with arguably one overseas base at Djibouti, while "the United States has around 750 overseas military bases in 80 countries." The reality side of the ledger: the SCO summit then meeting in Bishkek — ten countries with "42% of the world population" and 34% of output at purchasing-power parity against the G7's 9% and 28% — while the whole Western alliance "might reach 12% of the world population." Eurasia, on his account, is re-forming around peace and trade; the Russia-China alliance is complementarity, not convenience; and the US, he asserts without evidence, is working overtime to derail Lula's re-election.
Iran, the Dollar, and the Reckoning
On Iran, the American cartoon — turbaned mullahs in the eleventh century — meets Sachs's counter-portrait: "Iran is one of the technologically most sophisticated places in the world," heir of the first great multinational empire. Christoforou's own judgment: with sanctions gone and finances stabilized, "their economy would just take off" — the crisis is targeted, not organic. The instrument, per Sachs, is economic statecraft: in the imperial toolkit since the 1940s, enlarged after 2001 into payment-system enforcement — it "can confiscate $300 billion of Russian assets" and threaten any bank with dollar exclusion. But the weapon fails mechanically, he argues: "you don't need to use US dollars to settle international transactions" — he has advised countries on new currencies himself — and the current financial unrest is merely the lag of the transition. Trump's threat, "if you don't use the dollar, we'll destroy you," concedes the fragility: threatening people into using the dollar means it is already over. The reckoning question gets a two-part answer. With debt at 100% of GDP, 6-7% deficits and record valuations, "there's no entirely benign soft landing right now" — yet a correction can be modest, and no crisis was fated: not 1914, not the Depression, not Lehman's one-afternoon bankruptcy. The hope is political: "the European and American public want normalcy" — disgusted with the Iran war, uninterested in wars with Russia or China. The imponderables are institutional: "Will the ballots be counted in November?" — a deep state, a foreign policy run by the Five Eyes. Trump is horrible, but "the bad news is it's in the CIA's control" — and the good news is the public doesn't want that. His last word: walking into World War I territory again "would be so insane... and nobody wants it."
Interview Highlights
4 exchanges- Q
Is the thread of today's crises really a single thread running back to Washington?
Alexander Mercouris asked01:44AJeffrey Sachs answeredSachs frames the moment as a double crisis: a crisis of the United States and a crisis of the West. The core of the US alliance ran the world for two centuries and no longer does — a crisis for them, not for the world, not for our living standards: a crisis of power. The US declared itself sole superpower after 1991 and is programmed — in foreign policy, politics, media — to protect a hegemony that no longer exists. Europe's behavior he finds stranger: it cut itself off from the energy that fueled its economy, and 80 years after losing its empires still has an imperial mentality — a mayor turned prime minister puts on the imperial mantle and heads to Kiev. Multipolarity itself is benign: China's rise is good for living standards, Russia's return good for the world; the zero-sum mindset is the problem, not the facts. The political class answers with angst: grandiosity, no admission of weakness, almost nothing truthful in any government word. The geopolitical bubble has stoked a financial bubble — valuations depend on keeping both alive (Bessent's open hand, Trump's rhetoric, the seven magnificent companies) — while a public that cannot get a doctor's appointment or afford gasoline is dragged along by a class committing the sunk-cost fallacy.
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After all the misreporting on Ukraine and Iran, what should we understand about where the world really is?
Alex Christoforou asked26:57AJeffrey Sachs answeredSachs returns to July 1914: Europe was in a glorious economic and scientific era — no scarcity driving Britain and Germany apart; Keynes's Economic Consequences of the Peace captures the age. The war puzzles historians: no deep reason — two blocs clashed at industrial scale, each expecting a one-month war. After 1815 the concert of Europe kept a hundred years of peace, broken when Kaiser Wilhelm II dismissed Bismarck and built a fleet to rival Britain. Today's anti-China alliance, he argues, rests on reasons weaker even than 1914's near-zero ones: China is not Kaiser Wilhelm. Since 1949 its foreign-policy logic is 'you messed with us for a century — never again'; its economic logic, 'we don't want to be impoverished.' China has fought no war in 46 years (the last: a one-month Vietnam affair, 1979) and arguably one overseas base (Djibouti), against around 750 US bases in 80 countries. Meanwhile the Shanghai Cooperation Organization meets in Bishkek — ten countries, 42% of world population and 34% of output at purchasing power parity, against the G7's 9% and 28% — and Eurasia wants peace and trade. Russia-China is smart complementarity, not convenience; Europe gave it up. Even Iran's image is a cartoon: Persia was the first great multinational empire 2,500 years ago; its officials carry the gravitas of a 5,000-year-old civilization.
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Why is Iran's economy in crisis, and what would it take for it to take off?
Alex Christoforou asked43:18AJeffrey Sachs answeredPart of the story, Sachs says, is so-called economic statecraft — part of the American imperial toolkit since the containment of the 1940s, and tremendously enlarged in the early 2000s, when Washington realized it could use the dollar payment system as the enforcement mechanism, not just blockades of technology and trade. Since then the US has weaponized the dollar: confiscating $300 billion of Russian assets or Venezuelan, Iranian, North Korean assets, and imposing extraterritorial sanctions by threatening banks abroad — do any transaction with Iran and your entire dollar-based business is at risk. That is the basis of the sanctions regime and of the economic D-Day idea. What its authors don't understand is that you don't need dollars to settle international transactions; Sachs has himself mechanically advised countries on starting new currencies. It worked for a while because of inertia, but China, Iran and Russia have figured it out, and BRICS can accelerate it. Trump's direct threat — if you don't use the dollar we'll destroy you — shows the fragility: if you have to threaten, you have already lost. A few technicians from China, Russia and Iran getting together could stabilize Iran's currency; the current financial unrest is the legacy of the lag in moving to non-dollar payments.
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When the reckoning arrives, will the US finally accept the new system — or retreat into Britain-style plots?
Alexander Mercouris asked48:10AJeffrey Sachs answeredNo soft landing is guaranteed, Sachs says: debt at 100% of GDP, deficits of 6-7% as far as the eye can see, unmet needs, a stock market at record highs relative to GDP (the Buffett ratio) — a correction is coming, though in the cyclical US economy it could be modest. Avoiding a geopolitical explosion or massive crash is a policy question: World War I wasn't fated, the Great Depression a series of mistakes, 2008 the dumbest policy — Lehman forced into bankruptcy in a day. With rational policy-making there is no reason for a crisis; the real question is political behavior. The good news: the European and American publics want normalcy — disgusted with the Iran war, uninterested in war with Russia or China — Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tom Massie building a right-wing movement as the left has one. The bad: institutional breakdown — a deep state, foreign policy run by the Five Eyes rather than the publics, whether November's ballots are counted honestly. Trump is old, ignorant, incompetent, psychologically unstable — but US presidents barely run anything anyway; the bad news is it's in the CIA's control, the good news is the public doesn't want it. He ends hopeful: walking into World War I territory again would be insane; nobody wants it.
