Three Wars: Russia, Iran and Mali Are Reshaping the World w/ Stanislav Krapivnik

Three Wars: Russia, Iran and Mali Are Reshaping the World w/ Stanislav Krapivnik

The Duran65:542026-05-10Source Audio
Guests
Stanislav Krapivnik

Executive Summary

Alex Christoforou and Alexander Mercouris ask military analyst Stanislav Krapivnik to compare the wars involving Russia and Ukraine and the United States and Iran. Krapivnik expands the framing to a third theater in Africa, particularly Mali, and argues that Russian military practice treats war as a systematized science while US practice relies more heavily on individual commanders and an art-of-war tradition. He connects this distinction to historical examples and to what he describes as current Russian adaptation in drone warfare. A large middle section focuses on drones. Krapivnik describes specialized Russian drone battalions and regiments, front-line prototyping, Geran systems, fiber-optic FPV drones, and distinct reconnaissance, attack, bombing, and resupply missions. The discussion then turns to alleged Ukrainian point incentives for drone strikes and to what Krapivnik calls NATO kill tables. These allegations, particularly those involving civilian targeting and casualty estimates, are presented as the guest's claims and are not independently verified here. The final part contrasts methodical Russian operations with what the speakers characterize as improvised US operations against Iran. It includes unverified claims about PAC-2 and PAC-3 expenditure, battlefield control around Konstantinovka, Kupyansk, Lyman, and Sumy, and Russian reserve strength. The episode closes with a prediction that high-power microwave counter-drone systems could suppress drone swarms and make large-scale maneuver more viable again.

Chapters & Key Takeaways

Krapivnik frames the discussion as three connected theaters—Ukraine, Iran, and Africa—rather than two isolated wars.
The guest's central doctrinal argument is that Russian practice emphasizes repeatable systems, logistics, institutional learning, and a science of war, while US practice gives more weight to commander-dependent improvisation.
Krapivnik reports a shift from dispersed drone sections to specialized battalion- and regiment-level Russian drone organizations with separate mission roles.
Front-line laboratories and 3D printing are described as shortening the cycle between an idea, a prototype, battlefield testing, and the next modification.
The episode alleges that a point-based incentive system shapes Ukrainian drone targeting and equipment acquisition; this is a high-risk claim requiring independent verification.
Krapivnik argues that table-based casualty models designed for large Cold War battles can produce misleading loss estimates when applied mechanically to the current conflict.
The speakers contrast slow territorial consolidation with attempts at a single dramatic knockout operation, arguing that the scale of modern fronts makes decisive Austerlitz-style battles unlikely.
The episode presents severe US Patriot interceptor depletion as a constraint on both the Iran campaign and support for Ukraine, but the percentages are not independently sourced in the transcript.
Krapivnik's closing prediction is that effective area-defense microwave systems could reduce drone dominance and restore opportunities for large-scale maneuver.

The Three Battlefields Test More Than Just Weapons

Introduction

Alexander Mercouris originally wanted to compare two wars: the intense, policy-driven conflict between the United States and Iran, and Russia's slow, systematic advance in Ukraine. Stanislav Krapivnik then revised the question. He argued that the discussion had left out a third battlefield in Mali and Niger.

By placing the three conflicts side by side, the program's real focus is no longer which side possesses a particular weapon, but which organization can keep learning, mobilize resources, and convert one experience into the next operation. Krapivnik's answer comes with a clear position: the United States emphasizes the "art" of war and the individual capabilities of commanders, while Russia treats war as a scientific system that can be studied, broken down, and repeatedly improved.

This is the guest's characterization of two military traditions, not a project conclusion reached through independent comparison. But it provides a thread through the program's seemingly scattered content: does warfighting capability ultimately come from a single decisive clever action, or from an organization's ability to keep reducing mistakes?

The Third Battlefield Expanded the Scale of the Question

When Krapivnik added Africa to the discussion, he claimed that Russia's Africa Corps has become a key pillar of Mali's defense system and is involved in training local troops; he also alleged that the United States, France, and Ukraine support separatists or armed groups in the region. The program provides no independent evidence, so these claims about belligerents, scale, and external support must remain attributed statements from the guest.

The value of this section lies not in the program having proven the specific situation on the African battlefield, but in its expansion of the comparative scope: can the same military organization operate across regions with completely different conditions, such as Europe, the Middle East, and the Sahel? The program raises the question but does not marshal enough material to complete a cross-theater verification. Africa-related content is therefore best kept in the main article, and is insufficient to stand alone as a reliable feature.

How the "Science of War" Translates into Organizations

Krapivnik uses the U.S. military's historical battles of Tora Bora and the Ia Drang Valley to illustrate his critique: if military operations rely too heavily on commanders' individual judgment, an organization can repeat similar mistakes across different eras. By contrast, he describes the Russian approach as identifying problems in logistics, defense, and operational details, and codifying experience into repeatable methods.

The program's most concrete example comes from drone units. Krapivnik says Russia is reorganizing drone teams previously scattered across different companies and battalions into battalion- and regiment-level units, assigning dedicated personnel and equipment according to missions such as reconnaissance, strike, bombing, and supply.

He also describes laboratories and 3D printing capabilities near the front line: an idea is quickly turned into a prototype, sent to the battlefield for testing, and then revised based on the adversary's response. Here, "science" is no longer an abstract slogan but an organizational process that shortens the feedback loop.

This drone thread has its own distinct question, ample transcript material, and a clear technical turn, so it has been developed into a separate feature article: The Next Step in Drone Warfare Is Not Just Building More Drones. The main article retains its role in the program's overall argument here, while the feature article expands on the relationship between organizational structures, incentive risks, and regional countermeasures.

When Numbers Become Part of the System

The program also shows the other side that "systematization" can bring. Krapivnik claims that Ukrainian drone units earn points for strikes and then exchange points for equipment; he further alleges that this can drive operators to attack civilians when military targets are lacking.

These are serious allegations. The program does not show the points system documents, target identification rules, or an independent investigation, so one cannot directly infer from "the points system exists" to "the system encourages attacks on civilians." Likewise, his description of "NATO kill tables" is only used to explain why casualty estimates based on ammunition quantities and combat duration can be distorted.

Both discussions point to the same question: once metrics are used to allocate equipment, evaluate results, or explain war, they in turn shape action. But the cases and figures presented in the program come mostly from the guest's narration, and are not yet sufficient to prove which outcomes specific systems caused.

The Conflict Between "Silver Bullets" and Attrition Warfare

Turning to the U.S.–Iran conflict, Krapivnik directs the same critique at the United States. He argues that the West is accustomed to seeking a "silver bullet" that can quickly change the course of a war, but a war does not end automatically because of one weapon or one operation.

The program links this critique to Patriot interceptor depletion and offers figures on PAC-2 and PAC-3 stockpiles and usage ratios. These numbers are not accompanied by sources in the program, so they cannot be used to judge actual U.S. inventories, nor are they sufficient to prove that U.S. operations in Iran are bound to fail. At most, they show how the program understands the proposition that "high-intensity operations cannot be sustained indefinitely."

The same limitation applies to the battlefield assessments at the end of the program. Krapivnik makes a series of specific judgments about Kostiantynivka, Kupiansk, Lyman, Sumy, and the size of Russian reserve forces. These claims are highly time-sensitive and directly tied to the narratives of the warring parties; they should be checked item by item, and a single guest's full account cannot substitute for independent battlefield judgment.

The Real Prediction Lies Beyond the Pace of War

The prediction most worth watching over time in the entire program is not when a particular city will change hands, but whether technology will once again change how militaries are organized.

Krapivnik argues that shotguns, interceptor nets, and lasers mainly address individual targets, whereas high-power microwaves, if they can suppress drones across an area, could bring large-scale ground maneuver back into play. At the end, he explicitly describes this technology as a potential condition for rebalancing the battlefield.

This prediction has not yet been supported by evidence outside the program, but it accurately returns to the opening question: what determines the shape of war is not necessarily a particular advanced weapon, but whether an army can turn equipment into organizational capability and then use that new organizational capability to change the boundaries of action.

The program uses three battlefields to support this argument, but the strength of the evidence is uneven. The drone reorganization offers a relatively concrete organizational account; Africa's involvement in the fighting, weapons stockpiles, casualty figures, and front-line control all contain numerous claims awaiting verification. To be faithful to this episode, one must preserve its insight into the organizational nature of war while leaving what it has not proven in the realm of open questions.

Interview Highlights3 exchanges

Direct dialogue & timestamps from the recording

QAlexander Mercouris
4:04

How does the Russian way of war differ from the US way of war, and is the difference more fundamental than the US president's personality?

AStanislav Krapivnik

Krapivnik agrees that the approaches differ fundamentally, but adds that the comparison involves three wars rather than two. He describes the Russian approach as systematic, institution-driven, and based on planning, logistics, and accumulated military science, while the US-Iran conflict appears more personality-driven and volatile.

QAlexander Mercouris
13:08

Is Russia's systematic approach to war rooted in Marxist or Soviet military theory, or does it come from an older Russian tradition?

AStanislav Krapivnik

He says the approach predates the Soviet Union. Soviet and Marxist ideas reinforced it, but the emphasis on systematic planning and scientific organization was already present in Tsarist and Imperial Russia and continued into modern Russia.

QAlexander Mercouris
23:32

Based on what you observed in Donbas, is the Russian approach to logistics and supplies more effective than the Ukrainian approach?

AStanislav Krapivnik

He answers yes, while qualifying the comparison: Ukraine is compensating for manpower and training shortages, whereas the Russian side benefits from a more developed logistical and organizational system.